1875-1880: New additions to the Stoutner family

Sepia Saturday 560. Twelfth in a series on my maternal German ancestors, the Stoutners, of Gloversville, Fulton Co., N.Y.

Christina (Albeitz) Stoutner (1844-1924). Scan by Molly Charboneau

When the 1875 New York State census was enumerated, there were two new additions to the blended family of my maternal great-great grandparents Andrew and Christina (Albeitz) Stoutner of Gloversville, Fulton County, New York.

Their first surviving child together — John H. Stoutner (b. 1869) — appeared in the 1870 U.S. census, along with the family’s two older children William and Mary E. Stoutner from Andrew’s second marriage.

By 1875, two more children had been born to the couple — a daughter Gertrude (b. 1871) and a son Andrew “Pete” Jr. (b. 1874). Pete is my great grandfather. And by 1880, the younger children were all in school, as shown in the table below.

Family of Andrew and Christina (Albeitz) Stoutner in the 1875 NYS[1]FamilySearch requires free login to view records. and 1880 U.S.[2]Ibid.censuses of Johnstown/Gloversville, Fulton Co., N.Y. – Source: FamilySearch
Name Age in 1875 Job/Details 1875 Age in 1880 Job/Details 1880
Andrew Stoutner 42 Brick Mfg.; Born in Germany; Naturalized; Brick house worth $2,000 47 Brick Mfg.; Born in Germany
Christina Stoutner  30 Born in Germany 35 Keeping House; Born in Germany
William Stoutner 14 Works in brick yard; Unemployed for 6 mos. 18 Brick Maker
Mary E. Stoutner 11 16
John Stoutner 6 10 At school
Gertrude Stoutner 3 yrs. 11 mos. 8 At school
Andrew Stoutner Jr. 9 mos. 5 At school

A family of teens and toddlers

Andrew Stoutner Sr. (1832-1910). Scan by Molly Charboneau

During these years, the Stoutner household was a mix of teens and toddlers — with William and Mary becoming young adults while their younger siblings were at play and at school. Undoubtedly a busy and boisterous home with such a wide age spread among the children.

Andrew Sr. followed brick making tradition by bringing his oldest son William into the business during his teens — perhaps only on a part-time basis in 1875, since the census indicates that at age 14 he was unemployed for 6 months that year. By 1880, William, 18, had graduated to Brick Maker.

Nor was this uncommon in other upstate New York industries at the time — as I discovered while researching my dad’s Uncle Albert, who began work in an Adirondack saw mill at age 15. He went on to a career in lumber.

The dawn of photography

I dearly wish that photography had been widespread enough for there to be a group shot of the Stoutner family during this period. Yet despite advances during the U.S. Civil War, most photos were take in studios — or by traveling professionals who might photograph a family home for a fee.

My maternal great grandfather Andrew “Pete” Stoutner, Jr. c. 1880 at about age 5. Pete was the son of Andrew Stoutner and his third wife, my great-great grandmother Christina (Albeitz) Stoutner. Scan by Molly Charboneau

Fortunately, my Stoutner ancestors seem to have taken to photography — perhaps to send photos back home — because I have inherited a number of studio shots, including one of my great grandfather Pete (above) as a child and another of his older half-sister Mary (below) taken around the same time.

Mary E. Stoutner c. 1880 at about age 16. Mary was the daughter of Andrew Stoutner and his late second wife Elizabeth — and the older half-sister of my great-grandfather Pete. Scan by Molly Charboneau

Alas, I have no photos of the other Stoutner children in their youth. Nevertheless, these two studio portraits of Pete and Mary amply illustrate the age and maturity range among the Stoutner siblings toward the end of the 19th Century.

Up next: Some technical work on Molly’s Canopy will require a few weeks off, but blogging should resume by the end of March — or early April for the A to Z Challenge 2021. Please stop back! Meanwhile, please visit the blogs of this week’s other Sepia Saturday participants here.

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2 Ibid.

5 thoughts on “1875-1880: New additions to the Stoutner family”

  1. Your great-grandfather has the same serious expression in the photo of him as a child as the photo of him as an older man. And I can’t help but think of Mary’s necklace as the true definition of a “choker.” Wonderful that you have these photographs.

  2. I dated a fellow for a while whose family was a bit wide-spread. He was an only child for 12 years at which time the family moved from Texas to Southern California and ‘all of a sudden’ there came three additional children. Come to think of it, in my husband’s maternal family, his mother and sister were born in 1910 and 1912. Fifteen years later, they were moving to Southern California from Canada when their younger sister was born! What is it about Southern California, do you suppose . . . ? 🙂

  3. I like the observation that despite the lack of photos, what remains still tells a story of the range of ages in the family. I need to remember to be more grateful for what I DO have instead of whining about not having more.

  4. My family also was of German background – my great , great grandparents on both sides coming to Australia in the 1840s and 1850s. They also had a great many family portraits taken, so I am guessing that your reason about wanting photos to send back home may well be correct.

  5. Your great grandfather looks very serious and mature in his wool suit and boots. As a collector, I know that old photos are very ephemeral things. Those bulky cdv albums were protective but limited to certain sizes, so when photography advanced to larger and better focused images, the earlier photos were stored away to be forgotten by the next generation. As large families moved apart the old photos got divided between children. The identities and dates were lost and forgotten. Afterall, those tiny dark tintype photos have about the same charm as faded Polaroid snapshots.

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